Is it true that Adam (peace be upon him) camedown in India and that
Hawwa' came down in Jeddah?.
Praise be to Allaah.
What is proven definitively in the Holy Qur'aan is that Adam and
Hawwa' (peace be upon them) came down from Paradise to earth after
they ate from the tree.
Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Then the Shaytaan (Satan) made them slip therefrom (the Paradise),
and got them out from that in which they were. We said: 'Get you down,
all, with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be a dwelling place
for you and an enjoyment fora time'"
[al-Baqarah 2:36].
With regard to the place where they came down on earth, the Qur'aan
doesnot say anything about it, and there is no saheeh, marfoo' hadeeth
in the Sunnah of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon
him) which explains that, although there are some da'eef (weak)
hadeeths, such as the hadeeth that says: "Adam came down in India and
felt lonely…". This was narrated by Ibn 'Asaakir in Tareekh Dimashq
(7/437) and classed as da'eef by Shaykh al-Albaani in al-Silsilah
al-Da'eefah, no. 403. There are also other hadeeths which speak of
this matter, but their isnaads are very weak.
The only saheeh reports about this matter are the words of some of the
salaf, most of which are taken from the knowledge of the people of the
Book which were transmitted during their time. Such reports cannot be
relied upon or trusted, and it is not permissible to believe in what
they mention of things concerning which our religion is silent. Rather
they may be narrated for the purpose of story-telling only.
Despite that, the scholarlyopinions concerning this matter differ.
Some of them said: Adam came down in India and Hawwa' came down in Jeddah.
Some of them said that they both came down in India.
Some of them said that Adam came down in a land between Makkah
andal-Taa'if called Dahna.
Some of them said that Adam came down on al-Safa and Hawwa' came down
on al-Marwah.
Al-Haafiz Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy onhim) said:
Al-Saddi said: Allah said (interpretation of the meaning): "Get you
down,all" [al-Baqarah 2:36]. So they came down; Adam came down in
India and the Black Stone and a handful of leaves from Paradise came
down withhim, and he scattered them in India, and a perfume tree grew,
whichis the origin of what comes from India of perfume from the
handfulof leaves that Adam brought down. Adam onlytook them because of
his sorrow at leaving Paradise when he was expelled from it.
'Imraan ibn 'Uyaynah said,(narrating) from 'Ata' ibn al-Saa'ib, from
Sa'eed ibn Jubayr, from Ibn 'Abbaas, who said: Adam came down from
Paradise in Dahna, in the land of India.
Ibn Abi Haatim said: Abu Zar'ah told us: Uthmaan ibn Abi Shaybah told
us: Jareer told us: from 'Ata', from Sa'eed, from Ibn 'Abbaas who
said: Adam (peace be upon him) camedown in a land called Dahna,
between Makkah and al-Taa'if.
It was narrated that al-Hasan al-Basri said: Adam came down in
Indiaand Hawwa' in Jeddah, and Iblees in Dastumeesaan a few miles from
Basrah, and the serpent came down inAsbahaan. This was narrated by Ibn
Abi Haatim.
Ibn Abi Haatim said: Muhamamd ibn 'Ammaar ibn al-Haarith told us:
Muhammad ibn Sa'eed ibnSaabiq told us: 'Amr ibn Abi Qays told us, from
Ibn 'Adiyy, from Ibn 'Umar, who said: Adam came down on al-Safa and
Hawwa' on al-Marwah. End quote.
Tafseer al-Qur'aan al-'Azeem, 1/237
But all of these are words for which there is no evidence.
And Allah knows best.
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Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Nothing has been proven about the place where Adam came down to earth
Is it proven that ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) wrote a letter to the Nile in Egypt so that its water would flow by Allah’s leave?
I want to know the authenticity of the story about Umar writing a
letter to River Nile. It seems to me as illogic, for the Qur'aan and
the Saheeh Sunnah do not teach such thing. Also thatfor drought, Salah
Ul Istisqa is authentically established.
Praise be to Allaah.
Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
It was narrated to us via Ibn Luhay'ah from Qays ibn al-Hajjaaj from
someone who told him: When Egypt was conquered, its people came to
'Amr ibn al-'Aas and said to him: O Ameer, this Nile of ours is used
to something and cannot flow unless it is done. He said, What is that?
They said: On the twelfth night of this month, we take a young girl
from her parents, and we placate her parents, then we dress her in
jewellery and the finest garments there can be, then we throw herinto
this Nile.
'Amr said to them: This is something that cannot happen in Islam;
Islam erases that which came before it (of bad customs).
So they stayed for a while,during which the Nile did not flow at all,
neither a little nor a lot, until they thought of leaving. Then 'Amr
wrote to 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, telling him about that. He wrote to
him, saying: You did the right thing. I am sending you a piece of
paper with my letter; throw it into the Nile.
When his letter came, 'Amr took the piece of paper on which was written:
"From the slave of Allah 'Umar, Ameer al-Mu'mineen, to the Nile of the
people of Egypt.
To proceed: If you only flow on your own initative, then do not flow,
for we have no needof you. But if you only flow on the command of
Allah, the One, the Subduer, and He is the One Who causes you to flow,
then we ask Allah, may He be exalted, to make you flow."
He threw the paper in the Nile and by Saturday morning, Allah had
causedthe Nile to flow (to a depth or width of) sixteencubits in one
night, and Allah put an end to that custom of the people of Egypt
until today.
End quote from al-Bidaayah wa'n-Nihaayah, 7/114-115
Similar reports were also narrated by Ibn 'Abd al-Hakam in Futooh
Misr, p. 165; al-Laalkaa'i in Sharh I'tiqaad Ahl as-Sunnah, 6/463; Ibn
'Asaakir in Tareekh Dimashq, 44/336; Abu'sh-Shaykh in al-'Azamah,
4/1424, via Ibn Luhay'ah.
This is a da'eef isnaad thatis not saheeh, and this report cannot be
proven with such an isnaad. Ibn Luhay'ah – whose full name was
'Abdullah ibn Luhay'ah ibn 'Uqbah – is da 'eef as he used to get mixed
up, and in addition to that he is mudallis. See at-Tahdheeb, 5/327-33;
Mizaan al-I'tidaal, 2/475-484
Qays ibn al-Hajjaaj is sadooq, from the sixth level of hadeeth
narrators(tabaqah) according to al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar; they are the ones
who it is not proven that they met any of the Sahaabah. See: Taqreeb
at-Tahdheeb, 1/25
Sometimes he narrated it as a mursal report and sometimes he narrated
it from the one who told him, but the one who toldhim is majhool and
not known.
So the report is da'eef (weak) and is not saheeh (sound)
If this story were true, everyone would know about it and it would be
well known, and it would have been widely narrated through confirmed
isnaads, because it is an importantand significant event, the like of
which should not be ignored; rather an incident less significant than
this would not be overlooked by historians and narrators.
And Allah knows best.
letter to River Nile. It seems to me as illogic, for the Qur'aan and
the Saheeh Sunnah do not teach such thing. Also thatfor drought, Salah
Ul Istisqa is authentically established.
Praise be to Allaah.
Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
It was narrated to us via Ibn Luhay'ah from Qays ibn al-Hajjaaj from
someone who told him: When Egypt was conquered, its people came to
'Amr ibn al-'Aas and said to him: O Ameer, this Nile of ours is used
to something and cannot flow unless it is done. He said, What is that?
They said: On the twelfth night of this month, we take a young girl
from her parents, and we placate her parents, then we dress her in
jewellery and the finest garments there can be, then we throw herinto
this Nile.
'Amr said to them: This is something that cannot happen in Islam;
Islam erases that which came before it (of bad customs).
So they stayed for a while,during which the Nile did not flow at all,
neither a little nor a lot, until they thought of leaving. Then 'Amr
wrote to 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, telling him about that. He wrote to
him, saying: You did the right thing. I am sending you a piece of
paper with my letter; throw it into the Nile.
When his letter came, 'Amr took the piece of paper on which was written:
"From the slave of Allah 'Umar, Ameer al-Mu'mineen, to the Nile of the
people of Egypt.
To proceed: If you only flow on your own initative, then do not flow,
for we have no needof you. But if you only flow on the command of
Allah, the One, the Subduer, and He is the One Who causes you to flow,
then we ask Allah, may He be exalted, to make you flow."
He threw the paper in the Nile and by Saturday morning, Allah had
causedthe Nile to flow (to a depth or width of) sixteencubits in one
night, and Allah put an end to that custom of the people of Egypt
until today.
End quote from al-Bidaayah wa'n-Nihaayah, 7/114-115
Similar reports were also narrated by Ibn 'Abd al-Hakam in Futooh
Misr, p. 165; al-Laalkaa'i in Sharh I'tiqaad Ahl as-Sunnah, 6/463; Ibn
'Asaakir in Tareekh Dimashq, 44/336; Abu'sh-Shaykh in al-'Azamah,
4/1424, via Ibn Luhay'ah.
This is a da'eef isnaad thatis not saheeh, and this report cannot be
proven with such an isnaad. Ibn Luhay'ah – whose full name was
'Abdullah ibn Luhay'ah ibn 'Uqbah – is da 'eef as he used to get mixed
up, and in addition to that he is mudallis. See at-Tahdheeb, 5/327-33;
Mizaan al-I'tidaal, 2/475-484
Qays ibn al-Hajjaaj is sadooq, from the sixth level of hadeeth
narrators(tabaqah) according to al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar; they are the ones
who it is not proven that they met any of the Sahaabah. See: Taqreeb
at-Tahdheeb, 1/25
Sometimes he narrated it as a mursal report and sometimes he narrated
it from the one who told him, but the one who toldhim is majhool and
not known.
So the report is da'eef (weak) and is not saheeh (sound)
If this story were true, everyone would know about it and it would be
well known, and it would have been widely narrated through confirmed
isnaads, because it is an importantand significant event, the like of
which should not be ignored; rather an incident less significant than
this would not be overlooked by historians and narrators.
And Allah knows best.
Assalamu Alaikum - - 21.aug.tue
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